illumi Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 a thread for folks to talk about canonically/headcanoned trans & enby characters in media. disagreements and discussions are ok but stay civil i do have a speculative analysis abt such a character in the quote below as my own entry to this thread Quote i dont know a canonically nonbinary character but i do know a gender nonconforming character that has got everyone questioning their gender and i think its still debated; pitou from hxh. they have a fairly androgynous appearance despite leaning towards femininity more and all the pronouns when referring to them are neutral. pitous sex nor gender was confirmed despite the majority of the fanbase thinking theyre a cis female just because of their appearance its funny really how people assumes sex and gender of a character based on their body shape and gender expression while appearance doesnt do anything to prove their sex nor gender. heck. theyre not even human. body types of chimera ants are really diverse so who are we to assume? if the author are trying to be subtle about it; then dont assume anything to me and a few others pitou is just a gender nonconforming and apathetic individual who couldnt give more of a flying fuck about gender. after all they had barely lived over a month. so theres really no point debating about their gender Β Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kai_ Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 c!Fundy from dsmp is headcanoned as a Transman & oml I was thrilled when I heard bout this some time ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, _Kai_ said: c!Fundy from dsmp is headcanoned as a Transman & oml I was thrilled when I heard bout this some time ago could be a neat lil detail if its canon tbh. idk about the dsmp but if they have a chance to include lgbtq rep they should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kai_ Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Β 1 minute ago, sevan said: could be a neat lil detail if its canon tbh. idk about the dsmp but if they have a chance to include lgbtq rep they should Most of the people on dsmp are apart of the lgbtq+ communityΒ (Ngl idk if its canon or not, but I do know that its def headcanoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, _Kai_ said: Most of the people on dsmp are apart of the lgbtq+ communityΒ (Ngl idk if its canon or not, but I do know that its def headcanoned) cool cool. it doesnt have a good reputation which is why i never looked into it. i was a dsmp fan for a short period of time then i just grew out of it and never caught up with the lore. it became insanely boring to me at the exile arc and i just cant hyperfixate on it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kai_ Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, sevan said: cool cool. it doesnt have a good reputation which is why i never looked into it. i was a dsmp fan for a short period of time then i just grew out of it and never caught up with the lore. it became insanely boring to me at the exile arc and i just cant hyperfixate on it anymore Oop, ngl I hadnt paid much attention when Tommy when into exile since it was mostly boring as hellΒ I mean yeah all those haters surrounding the dsmp community doesn't give it a good rep TvT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, _Kai_ said: Oop, ngl I hadnt paid much attention when Tommy when into exile since it was mostly boring as hellΒ I mean yeah all those haters surrounding the dsmp community doesn't give it a good rep TvT i find the dsmp fandom a lil cringe atp but its whatever. i grew out of that phase and dont have any strong feelings. the controversy surrounding dream as a content creator is still a bit icky so i try to distance myself from the dsmp fandom as much as possibleΒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kai_ Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, sevan said: i find the dsmp fandom a lil cringe atp but its whatever. i grew out of that phase and dont have any strong feelings. the controversy surrounding dream as a content creator is still a bit icky so i try to distance myself from the dsmp fandom as much as possibleΒ dAmN (Totally not me planning to get fanart's of a couple of em tattooed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 21 hours ago, sevan said: canonically/headcanoned trans & enby characters in media I headcanon Tim Drake/Robin/Red Robin from [DC Comics] asΒ trans (ftm)Β I also headcanon Terry Mcginnis/Batman (of the future)Β [DC Comics] as trans (ftm) HC Conner Kent/Kon-El/Superboy [DC Comics] as nonbinaryΒ HC Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/OracleΒ [DC Comics] as trans (mtf) Canon Alysia YeohΒ [DC Comics] trans (mtf) Canon Nia Nal/Dreamer [DC Comics] trans (mtf)Β Canon Cullen RowΒ [DC Comics] trans (ftm)Β Canon Halo [DC Comics] nonbinaryΒ yeah- it's a lot of DC stuff lolΒ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 hours ago, damian said: I headcanon Tim Drake/Robin/Red Robin from [DC Comics] asΒ trans (ftm)Β I also headcanon Terry Mcginnis/Batman (of the future)Β [DC Comics] as trans (ftm) HC Conner Kent/Kon-El/Superboy [DC Comics] as nonbinaryΒ HC Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/OracleΒ [DC Comics] as trans (mtf) Canon Alysia YeohΒ [DC Comics] trans (mtf) Canon Nia Nal/Dreamer [DC Comics] trans (mtf)Β Canon Cullen RowΒ [DC Comics] trans (ftm)Β Canon Halo [DC Comics] nonbinaryΒ yeah- it's a lot of DC stuff lolΒ idk any of these comics but seems cool! would love some analysis and reasoning for it but i wouldnt understand the lore anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 14 hours ago, sevan said: idk any of these comics but seems cool! would love some analysis and reasoning for it but i wouldnt understand the lore anyway trust me i'd happily list reasons for most of the headcanons, but yes, there's a lot of lore, and also some of them are just gut feelings as a trans guy myself (with maybe a touch of projection)Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 hours ago, damian said: trust me i'd happily list reasons for most of the headcanons, but yes, there's a lot of lore, and also some of them are just gut feelings as a trans guy myself (with maybe a touch of projection)Β relatable. thats me with every character thats not sex and romance oriented; i just slap aroace onto them and start projecting my own aroace ass 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, sevan said: relatable. thats me with every character thats not sex and romance oriented; i just slap aroace onto them and start projecting my own aroace ass yeah i have a problem with becoming attached to characters and responding by bestowing my transness on themΒ same thing with asexuality- if a character does not specifically express some flavour of sexual attraction i'm like 'aw, look, and asexual just like me. wanna invade denmark and eat garlic bread?' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, damian said: yeah i have a problem with becoming attached to characters and responding by bestowing my transness on themΒ same thing with asexuality- if a character does not specifically express some flavour of sexual attraction i'm like 'aw, look, and asexual just like me. wanna invade denmark and eat garlic bread?' i remember whenever i see a female character that basically passes like a boy i hc them as transmasc. not necessarily a trans man bc i want to stick to canon still but i think they would have a more masculine gender in the nbspec. im also a transmasc enby so im really just pushing my own quote unquote gay agenda onto them lmao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 whenever i see a girl trying to pass as a man something awakens inside me. are you trans?! i thoughtΒ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, sevan said: i remember whenever i see a female character that basically passes like a boy i hc them as transmasc. not necessarily a trans man bc i want to stick to canon still but i think they would have a more masculine gender in the nbspec. im also a transmasc enby so im really just pushing my own quote unquote gay agenda onto them lmao 1 minute ago, sevan said: whenever i see a girl trying to pass as a man something awakens inside me. are you trans?! i thoughtΒ The real gay agenda is just headcanoning characters as part of the LGBTQIA+ community lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kai_ Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, damian said: The real gay agenda is just headcanoning characters as part of the LGBTQIA+ community lol Lmao, that must just be something that occurs unknowingly XD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, damian said: The real gay agenda is just headcanoning characters as part of the LGBTQIA+ community lol theyre queer now your honor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, sevan said: theyre queer now your honor all. of. them.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, damian said: all. of. them.Β they can now get away with any crimes imaginable bc theyre just a lil silly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, sevan said: they can now get away with any crimes imaginable bc theyre just a lil silly "everyone's just a lil silly, your honor" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, damian said: "everyone's just a lil silly, your honor" if you try to accuse them of anything bad youre bigoted drop the mic end of story 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_error Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, sevan said: if you try to accuse them of anything bad youre bigoted drop the mic end of story yes, absolutelyΒ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rain Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Spoilers for basically the entire plot of The Marvelous Land of Oz (the second book in the Oz series if you're unfamiliar) but Tip is very trans. Spoiler He's actually Princess Ozma, but Mombi transformed her into a boy shortly after she was born, and he lived like that until Glinda discovered who he was and forced Mombi to turn him back into a girl. She's maybe more genderfluid than trans because she's very much a boy and then equally as much a girl, but it still feels like a (probably unintentional) trans allegory either way. This results in some very good quotes like "I might try it for awhile,βjust to see how it seems, you know. But if I don't like being a girl you must promise to change me into a boy again" and "I hope none of you will care less for me than you did before. I'm just the same Tip, you know." Also, I grew up with the John R Neill illustrations of him so this isn't how I picture him in my head but I just found this drawing of him (can't find the source unfortunately) and it's very gender so here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illumi Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Ghost of Rain said: Β Hide contents He's actually Princess Ozma, but Mombi transformed her into a boy shortly after she was born, and he lived like that until Glinda discovered who he was and forced Mombi to turn him back into a girl. She's maybe more genderfluid than trans because she's very much a boy and then equally as much a girl, but it still feels like a (probably unintentional) trans allegory either way. it kind of sounds like bigender to me ngl bc bro only feels connection to two genders. but anyway 6 hours ago, Ghost of Rain said: This results in some very good quotes like "I might try it for awhile,βjust to see how it seems, you know. But if I don't like being a girl you must promise to change me into a boy again" and "I hope none of you will care less for me than you did before. I'm just the same Tip, you know." Also, I grew up with the John R Neill illustrations of him so this isn't how I picture him in my head but I just found this drawing of him (can't find the source unfortunately) and it's very gender so here holy shit i love how you provided quotations to support your hc. i like it! i hope they make it canon tbfhΒ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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